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ITR: Mikko Rantanen Trade Fallout
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Jan 31, 2025
Join Conrad and Chris as they discuss the fallout of the Mikko Rantanen trade to the Carolina Hurricanes. What is next for the Colorado Avalanche, and why did Chicago want to facilitate this deal? Colorado Avalanche, Carolina Hurricanes, Mikko Rantanen, Taylor Hall, Martin Necas, Jack Drury, Taylor Hall, Chicago Blackhawks, 2025 NHL Draft, NHL Trade Deadline, NHL Trades, NHL Trade Rumors, Trade Rumors, NHL
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and
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yeah the title of this episode
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Blockbusters still exist and it's titled
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accordingly because the the Carolina
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Hurricanes took a huge swing but there's
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a little bit there's more rumors
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surrounding or they're at least involved
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in some more stuff who knows if they're
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out now it's you can't really you can't
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rule it out but JT Miller has been
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allowed to speak with the New York
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Rangers in the Carolina
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Hurricanes those are the two teams on
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the list who knows if there's more but
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Chris I'm gonna let you take it away
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here well so it's funny that when this
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came out the other day and I saw it um I
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thought it was pretty funny that we had
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talked a couple weeks ago about the
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Rangers and you know I just threw out
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the name mik zad's possible trade option
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and that that was a no earlier and now
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all of a sudden he's allowed to talk to
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the Miller is allowed to talk to the
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Rangers and intriguing what an offer
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could look like on that end and
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originally the Carolina Hurricanes like
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you said was the other team but from
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what I had seen over the weekend once
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they made the trade with um Colorado and
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Chicago the three team trade they were
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taken out of the conversation Al
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together I guess they started with
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Miller when the conver when they were
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allowed to have conversation the price
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was too steep they pivoted to Pon that
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was a little too Steep and then they
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went right to Ron and Taylor Hall which
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we'll get to in a little bit um my okay
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I I just want to jump in here with the
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way that teams have been very aggressive
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in the last two years at the trade
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deadline some teams have a Do or Die win
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now window and I think that's where the
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Carolina Hurricanes that's why they took
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the swing they did and maybe they might
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look that price for Miller they might
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Circle back and they who knows the
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Vancouver Canucks might not have a
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realistic option other than the Carolina
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Hurricanes come trade deadline
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day if they if they're serious of if the
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Canucks are serious about moving
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Miller you like they might just say you
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know what it gets him off our books and
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it it gets all the media attention out
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of here
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so like you never
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know I think with we got
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what month and a week probably five
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weeks till the deadline I think you're
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going to see that door open to more
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teams with him having a conversation and
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then obviously as we get closer the
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price will drop like you
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said and who knows maybe other teams
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will say like this price is astronomical
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like it's way too steep for us and and
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Carolina might be sitting there saying
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hey here's our minimum and it's higher
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than every other
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team and it still may not be a great
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return
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but who knows like the whole JT Miller
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situation it's interesting and we'll get
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into more of that later in the episode
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with bit of rumor stuff
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but let's the meat and potatoes of this
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episode is the meat Raton and
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Blockbuster and I got a discussion topic
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is could this spark more teams to move
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their pending ufas but first I want to
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get into the ranton Blockbuster in of
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itself the Hurricanes acquire Mig ranan
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Taylor Hall and the rights to Nils jorp
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or
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jorp uh the uh Colorado Avalanche acquir
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Martin NIS Jack Dury a 2025 second round
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pick a 2025 fourth round pick while the
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Chicago Blackhawks retain half of m r
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and salary and also get a 2025 third
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round pick which was their own pick I
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believe and what a trade and
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Chris my first NHL game in the Press Box
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um so that was quite the night for me I
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was a lot of emotions on my end and then
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I'm speaking to a lot of media people
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but the lady from the Salt Lake tribun
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her and I are sitting I was sitting with
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them visiting media that's where I was
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sitting and we're just we're all like
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holy crap like the second that Sarah Vol
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tweeted that Migo rean was being traded
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to the Carolina Hurricanes were like oh
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all right there has to be a guy like AO
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sikov or Jarvis going back
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and I was like it was all of us were
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saying there was no way that the
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Hurricanes were getting out of that
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without giving a big player and they got
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out of it without giving a a big player
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like Chris what was your initial
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reaction to that so I was at dinner in
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Boston and my phone is just going off
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nonstop and I'm like something's wrong
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and I didn't have my son with me so I
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thought something was wrong with my son
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so I got up excused myself went to the
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bathroom and I the first thing I see and
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you said his name all I saw was a tweet
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that says Jarvis was not included in
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this trade I'm like what what trade what
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just happened so I'm going through
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Twitter now and I see ronon's name and
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then I see Hall's name and I'm like this
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is a massive trade and then I realized
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both of them are going to
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Carolina I was mind blown I'm like this
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is got to be a bigger return like what
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else is coming if Jarvis isn't included
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and then all of a sudden like it was a
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long night before all the pieces finally
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trickled in I mean it was like probably
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10 o'clock my time we're driv halfway
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through the third period in uh in the
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Jets game by the time everything
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finalized I was sitting there and I was
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I was like where is everything like this
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has got to be more
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coming
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is yeah know we like I was talking to
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all like a lot of the Winnipeg media and
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I was talking to the visiting media the
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two people from the visiting Med media
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and we're like we were
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just we were taking back it was
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wild for a trade like of that magnitude
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to happen on a Friday
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night just it was crazy and it's just
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like it's a story I'm going to tell
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forever obviously because not every day
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you get your first game in the Press Box
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and like Taylor Hall for a first overall
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pick this is his seventh NHL team
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it was it's obviously a much needed
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restart for him and it allows them to
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get into a competitive market again m
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ranin is I can't remember when he was
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drafted I think it was like seventh or
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eighth overall and it might be
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lower
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but a player of his
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magnitude he's arguably a top three
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Winger in the league right
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now
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and that's the kind of player that
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Carolina is getting you're adding the
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known chemistry that he has had before
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with Sebastian AO because they grew up
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together and they played
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together to all
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like Carolina gets out of this trade
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without giving up a big player and
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that's no disrespect Martin hes Carolina
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gets a or Colorado gets a good uh Center
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in
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NES but
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when you look at Nate just and uh Ranon
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and do you think those pieces as the
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main pieces going back and forth align
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in this trade because I don't
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truthfully they also didn't give up a
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first round
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pick yeah and that's another that's
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another thing to
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realize now I remember like there was a
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lot of people saying like oh uh Carolina
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isn't done and all that or not Carolina
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Colorado isn't done and we're all I just
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remember we're all frantically sitting
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there like there's no way Colorado is
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going to make a swing like this and
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Crosby's name floated out well and Kevin
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weeks had a lot to do with that posting
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the Pittsburgh
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Skyline and who knows maybe he was
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posting that because he knows something
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that we
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don't but
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I don't think personally I don't think
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that was the right time to put some more
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gasoline on that fire
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no and yeah it was a crazy night like
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it's not every day you get a massive
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trade a blockbuster trade like
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that
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and I had a like I don't want to say I
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knew he was getting traded because I'm
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not an Insider but I almost had that gut
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feeling that ranin wasn't going to be a
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Colorado Avalanche by the end of the
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season yeah I would thought he would be
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but I was a little shocked he was
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moved see where I get like where I'm
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coming from is he already turned down
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a12 million
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extension he want like he wants to be
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the highest paid Winger in the league he
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also wants to make more than McKinnon on
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the
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team that's a like everybody knew that
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the other thing that like Colorado has
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to look at their like they're looking at
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their team they obviously have an
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internal
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cap and they're obviously looking two to
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three years down the line when you got
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kalea
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Mar he's making n million right now he
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signed that sixe deal and it was known
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that he took a pay cut so that they
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could try to win again
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don't get me wrong Mar is a really good
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player but if not if $9 million is what
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he took for a pay cut you're looking at
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maybe 14 15 million for Mar when he's
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due
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again well that's a good question
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because we talked about this a couple
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weeks ago makes me wonder too with the
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extension of Blackwood did that kind of
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play the hand a little bit here we got
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to move him now because we extended our
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goal and like you said Mar is going to
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be ex soon very and that's going to be
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very expensive
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but this whole ranton and Blockbuster
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isn't about the team itself or the
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Colorado Avalanche itself like we could
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go on forever about how this affects the
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team and we'll get into that in a minute
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but my first topic that I want to talk
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about regarding the Ranon and
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Blockbuster is could this spark more
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teams to move pending ufas
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my first thing is you look at the New
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York Islanders with Brock Nelson the
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Winnipeg Jets with Nikolai
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eers guys with High
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Caliber or guys who are High Caliber uh
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forwards or defenseman even like Rasmus
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Anderson and Calgary
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too could we see teams who are in win
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now mode trade their pending ufas to
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teams that they know that player will
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sign there
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anyways and try to recoup at least
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something I can see it I mean I think
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the we talked about it what last week or
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the week before with the four nations
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break I I think this is going to be what
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starts it if it's going to happen think
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you're gonna see some deals coming the
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whole thing with that is ly Holm got
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traded in January last year there's
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always a good Trader to in
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January and the there's always a trade
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deadline before the trade deadline
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that's kind of how it
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is but I think this could just like you
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were saying is I think this could
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be what catapults at all
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so
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and yeah um I when I look at pending
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ufas is when you look at the UFA
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Market Carolina had to be very certain
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that they were going to be able to
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resign
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ranin because if you lose
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if you lose him in free
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agency you didn't swing as much as he
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could granted there's also other ufas on
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the
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market like big name ufas too
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but is there that M ranin caliber player
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available not that I
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see here and another thing that I've
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seen is people are saying is oh yeah M
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Ranon and might resign in Colorado in I
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unrestricted free agency and you know
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how chaotic that would
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be if there is a handshake deal under
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the table and he does
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that that would be
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something yeah I don't want to speculate
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too much but I saw something on Twitter
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it was just a little throrough kind of
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deal no specul really there but now the
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other discussion topic about things is
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did the Colorado Avalanche lose the M
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Ranon in trade or is it too early to say
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and Chris do you think it's too early to
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say on paper yeah they lost it but you
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know you look at what they did yesterday
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with both of the guys they acquired in
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this trade and you know nichas had two
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assists and jury had a goal so are they
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sliding in in well um I don't think
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maybe I'm wrong has Ron they' played
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right Ronson and in Hall they both
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played yeah they didn't do any I mean so
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that was their first game ronon in Hall
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I mean and granted neither of the two
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guys in Colorado are on the score sheet
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their first game they did in the second
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game so right now on paper with the
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names
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yes in a week I might have a different
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answer for you
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okay so I feel like this could be an
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interesting discussion topic that we
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have maybe uh when Jade is with us
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again I mean I look at the standings
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right now and Colorado where they are
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and Carolina where they are Carolina's
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okay I think I mean we'll talk about the
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reason why I think that in a little
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while but Colorado with the moves they
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made and what they got
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they could make a run to be in that
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third spot maybe even second spot in the
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Central division with the way things
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have seen after two games with their new
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acquisitions so I'm G to pull up the
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standings very quick
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but just kind of the way their position
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is Minnesota has been on a downslide but
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like realistically the Central Division
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should be wiip Winnipeg and Colorado
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should be neck and neck for first Dallas
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and col or Dallas and Minnesota and St
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Louis should be fighting for third
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fourth and fifth I put Dallas in that
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conversation with Winnipeg and
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Colorado I I can see what you're
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saying just with the punch that I've
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seen from Winnipeg and Colorado this
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season because Colorado's they've gone
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through the adversity that every team
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needs to go through in the regular
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season and they went through it early in
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the year with how many guys were hurt at
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once like they were playing guys that
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were fourth line ahlers no disrespect to
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them either
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because the AHL is still a great place
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to play you see great development in
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that league but like also we saw guys up
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in the
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NHL who had no business being there
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other than guys are
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hurt so Colorado having faced that
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adversity early on in the
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season it was good for
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them Dallas I haven't seen a whole lot
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of adversity on their end I haven't seen
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I haven't seen something that they're
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going to have to work through as a team
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that's just my opinion on the team
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but when you take a look at when you
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take a look at the mold of teams that go
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far in the
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playoffs take a look at the first year
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that Tampa won the cup they were without
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uh Captain
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stos he came in and played two minutes
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and something odd seconds scored a goal
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and that was
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it that was their
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adversity uh trying to think of another
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good example but I cannot thought my
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head like sanley Cup winning teams need
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that adversity and right now for me
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Colorado is emerging as an early
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favorite to win the cup
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like that's that's kind of where I'm at
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so like you have any more thoughts on
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that you say adversity in Dallas I think
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losing Sean's a big
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one he had 20 points in 19 games before
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he went out with a hip
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injury okay I can see what you're saying
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with the Sean thing but
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like
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I I don't know how to formulate my
18:28
thought in this one because Sean's a
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good player but does he strike you as
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the gamechanging player that Dallas
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needs n in and
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90 I mean he can be especially where he
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was playing I think he was on the third
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line and second line for a little while
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so he gives you if he's on the third
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line gives you that bottom six scoring
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you're looking for so it's a key piece
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to you know a team that was towards the
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top I mean they still are but they're
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not as close as they were earlier in the
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season to the top of the Central
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Division I look at and you talk about
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Colorado being a Stanley Cup team my big
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thing I look at with a lot of teams that
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I think could win the cup is what they
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have in goal
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tending and that's where I put Dallas I
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I want to say far ahead but maybe not
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far ahead of
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Colorado if Dallas can make it farther
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than the Conference Finals and I know
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there's only one more round after the
19:25
Conference Finals before people come
19:28
come at me about that but if Dallas goes
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farther like if Dallas goes to the
19:35
Stanley Cup Final in the next two to
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three years with the way that they like
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with the way they've built they'll win
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the
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cup they just need to go through
19:46
whatever playoff like it's like the
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Leafs the Leafs need to really just
19:52
hunker down in the
19:54
playoffs Dallas other than the one year
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and the bubble that they made the sanley
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Cup
20:01
Final I can't really put my finger on a
20:04
team that should have won the cup with
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the Dallas
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Stars so like last year they added Chris
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tanov and made a couple of really good
20:16
uh Acquisitions at the deadline but
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there was nothing that stood out to me
20:19
about them that said hey watch this
20:22
team and I know Jake Ginger is he wants
20:26
to be the starter at the four nations
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but
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I I think he'll be the starters uh
20:35
starter at the four nations because one
20:37
it's an NHL sanctioned tournament and
20:39
two the guy in front of him might just
20:42
take it as a bit of time to rest and
20:45
relax not saying that he won't take it
20:47
serious uh seriously
20:49
but the guy in front of him who's
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arguably going to win the vzna and the
20:55
Jennings for his second consecutive year
20:57
barring and anything significant happens
21:00
on the
21:01
season he's also going to be in the
21:04
heart trophy conversation Conor hbu's
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having one hell of a
21:08
year with the way that like the Central
21:11
Division lines up right now you could
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argue six teams in the central make the
21:17
playoffs
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if if the if the NHL playoffs was based
21:24
off of points I can only see two teams
21:28
to the Pacific and six in the central
21:31
making the playoffs right
21:33
now that's just what I see but then you
21:36
look at St leis and Utah who are well
21:38
out of a playoff spot at the
21:40
moment uh behind
21:44
La just like there's a lot to say and
21:47
kind of circling back over to
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Colorado uh Colorado and Dallas
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actually they they both have that
21:57
element that they need to go far in
22:00
playoffs
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but the year that Colorado won the cup
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you had guys with experience and you
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guys you had guys that knew what it took
22:09
you had veterans who knew what it
22:11
took I'm not saying Dallas didn't have
22:14
that Winnipeg hasn't had that they don't
22:18
like they added at the deadline don't
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get me wrong defol and monan were great
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additions
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but playoffs is a whole different bear
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and
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yeah that's kind of what I'm thinking
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Chris do you have any things to add on
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that I don't it's g i mean that
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divisions to me like you said with with
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this trade I disagree partially on the
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six teams in the in the central yeah I
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think the kings are definitely a team in
22:46
the Pacific that could get in and make a
22:48
run especially with the way Ker's been
22:50
playing and they're supposed to be
22:53
getting dowy back I don't know if he's
22:54
playing tonight I thought he was but I
22:57
haven't seen him
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maybe I'm missing something but that's
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another team that I look at that can
23:02
make a run because they have
23:04
experience um the other team that we
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don't talk about and we talked about
23:07
them last week in the central is
23:10
Nashville but we won't get in too much
23:13
into that but they're one of the hottest
23:14
teams in that Division and they can
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definitely make a run to get back in and
23:18
I think even if things struggle in
23:20
Colorado they could catch
23:25
Colorado maybe not 17 a little steep
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I think we're going to really see
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Colorado's endurance after this trade
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because 32 32 games left for Colorado
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and 34 left for
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Nashville Colorado has 17 points in
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hand like we're looking at we're looking
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at a team
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that they've had their du like they've
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paid their dues and they've really gone
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through the gutter some day uh some
24:01
years Nashville if they figure it out
24:04
and they go on another heat like if they
24:06
go on a heater like the 160 And1 after
24:09
the cancelled YouTube
24:12
concert we could see quite a different
24:15
playoff picture right
24:17
now but I think we're looking at a
24:19
pretty firm playoff picture for this
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year I don't see it
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changing very
24:26
much there's always that sleeper team
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yeah I mean there three that so far that
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I think could have a chance that that
24:34
are out of it right now or four actually
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in the west at least well if we're going
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to talk about sleeper teams look at
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where Columbus is they're a team I think
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that's going to get in I just think they
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have a lot going for
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them now do you do you see them knocking
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out Tampa in the wild
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card I could see them knocking out
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either team in the Wild Card
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okay now teams like the
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like this is becoming a playoff
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discussion and we were to save that
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probably till the four nations break but
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yeah well we'll get more into it anyways
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but
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like I know this kind of out of the
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realm of topics right now but what do
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you think about Boston missing
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playoffs they're on my list of teams I
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don't think get in
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because they're they're holding on by a
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hope and a prayer
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Montreal three points back with two
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games in hand Tampa is one point back
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with three games in
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hand they're a team though all year
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whenever they slide out of the playoff
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spot they somehow find a way to win the
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next game to get back in and I think we
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saw I think it was over the weekend
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before Ottawa played last night yeah
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they found a way to win I think it was
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two straight to slide right back in to
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the three spot and then Ottawa won last
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night and took the three spot away from
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the Atlantic so now they have the top
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wild card spot yeah and what about
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Ottawa man
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like they're a team I mean that's we
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talked about this before we logged on
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with Swan and that issue you're seeing
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you know I think the real true goalie
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taking care of business in
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Ottawa yeah and SW or not Swan uh allmar
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being out long term right now with the
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back injur it's Ottawa is they're still
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finding ways to win and that's showing
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you the what they've done as a team to
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mature right so
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