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Bruins Benders Live: 10/19/24 vs. Utah Hockey Club
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Bruins lose in overtime in Utah two to one tonight Michael kessle ring the
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gamewinner in overtime just after David Ox kalis
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penalty expired the Bruins fall a three2 and one on the season and this one
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was uh uneventful it was careless in a lot of
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ways and as you said in the uh the Tweet the final tweet lots of
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passengers yeah I they were stupid in this game just a
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stupid stupid game they played dumb they took dumb penalties they couldn't get the puck out of Their Own Zone they
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turned down shots they just they they were dumb tonight they they didn't
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deserve to win the game Utah carried the play um there was I could I don't know
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outside of Ki and maybe celik and beer that fourth line I'm not sure there was
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a forward that deserved to actually be playing in the game like the rest of
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them should have probably all been watching the way that they played should have had nine forwards on the ninth
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floor watching the [ __ ] game be sorry John because they I mean they were passengers
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you might as well have just sent them out [ __ ] trick-or-treating or something give them some candy send them
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on their way you know after the sugar crash and let the fourth line handle the big boy business because if it wasn't
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for Swan and and Ki they would have lost the game [ __ ] three or four not three or four to one in regulation it would
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have I mean terrible terrible terrible terrible yeah it was bad and 22
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giveaways is just insanely bad uh the first period ex you know uneventful they
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had uh numerous giveaways couldn't get the puck out of the Zone not a lot of offensive chances I think they were
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outshot maybe 116 or something in the first period second period they play
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better and they get a goal yeah from Kei again as the fourth line continues to
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come through Ki was terrific tonight again he had five shots on net he had
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numerous chances he scored the goal he actually scored a goal and then immediately drew a penalty the next
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shift uh to get another opportunity for the Bruins so he's been
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terrific um and then you know from there the Bruins are playing okay and in the
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second and then they Brad Martian just makes a just a horrifically bad decision
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coming into the blue line he comes across the blue line he tries to make that play inside the blue line that
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never seems to work he tries to go through three guys I'm not sure what he's trying to do loses the puck they
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come back down and score the Utah and then it's wiped out by an offside but he
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was bailed out big time and then Jim Montgomery and I've never seen this
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before from Montgomery especially in public during a game in this fashion but
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he just came unglued on Marian and I was stunned by it now I was pleasantly
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surprised by it because I think NE not more of this needs to happen yeah um but
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he just goes absolutely mental on him on the on the bench after just an
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egregiously terrible play yeah it was welld deserved I mean he deserved a
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tongue lashing for that why are you trying to trying to tow drag someone inside your own Blue Line it's the
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dumbest thing I've ever seen throw the puck back down the wall this is what gets them in trouble they do dumb [ __ ]
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it's dumb [ __ ] over and over again stop doing dumb [ __ ] that's what it comes
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down to it's what it comes down to they're they're forwards their star
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forwards make dumb plays a lot and you watch other teams and the other teams
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forwards value the puck more our forwards are just [ __ ] throwing it
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around like they could give a [ __ ] where the pass goes yeah just trying to make plays out there I mean the zaka Pak
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Lindholm line like zaka is throwing backhand passes into the slot no one's there dude nobody's there I I just
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they trying to make too many prettyy plays and if they watch the fourth line at all that's not what works that's not
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what wins especially if your team is slow and you don't have any skill on the team other than barok and maybe marand
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maybe maybe the way he's playing lately I don't know right um and so that's not
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what this team needs that's not what this team is going it is is how they're going to win games
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that's not the recipe for success for this team I find it I find it interesting that in the beginning of the
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year it's only six games in that Jim Montgomery has already called his team out in the Press he's already Unleashed
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on the captain of the team and he's shown signs again that he's not only
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frustrated but also probably pretty a little bit nervous that this is going to fall on him they're not going to get the
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result that they want want and he's going to be the Fall Guy he doesn't have a contract yeah I mean it is going to
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fall on him and he is going to be the Fall Guy and he is this is typically the end of the line for a coach when this
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type of stuff happens yeah he's going to be the Fall Guy and and honestly I'm not
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100% sure it's on him some of it's on him uh the line switching and and so
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forth but the playing the young kids that's an organizational decision that's not it 100% is he's not he's he doesn't
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get the final say on the roster so the reason Max Jones and and Morgan geeky or
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El Morgan geeky tonight oh yeah he's terrible he comes back in after being scratched he had one shot one hit the
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hit was the first time I've seen him all year long I noticed him all year and he had four giveaways way to come back in
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and and assert yourself in a positive way Morgan awful awful so you know it's
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not Montgomery's fault that he's saddled with these guys he's got a team full of
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fourth line players that's not his fault he does he does he's got he's got some
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third liners and some fourth liners and then the I I think the speed thing now
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is a legitimate issue it is a legitimate issue they went big and some of the big
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guys can move but not all of them can Justin brazell's out there like a Clydesdale they turn the puck over and
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the offensive zone it's it's it's rolling through the slot and it took him three and a half years to get from one
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side of the zone to the other to try to Corral the loose Puck I I mean for crying out loud there's a reason the guy
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was an undrafted free agent and has barely played any NHL hockey it's because he's not very good unfortunately
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for for the Bruins and for brazzo fans and and for me I mean I want to see the
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see see the team do well but he's not the answer no he's not the answer I got
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I got crushed on Twitter yeah for saying that brazzo should be out it the amount of people who responded to that and was
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so taken a back that I would take brazzo out was incredible to me he the guy is
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not an NHL player he's a borderline NHL player at best and he's showing it right
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now that Marian Coy brazo line I hope I never see it again like that has to be
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this first of all the slowest line in creation like you got a 36y old a 32y
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old and then brazzo who can't move that's just that's just stupid that's not a good that's not a good line who
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drives that line I mean you know you know what the problem was was the person that was
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driving the line last year is in Vancouver now who's driving that yes and they
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haven't replaced is you know and look it I don't I'm not I'm not saying that to
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keep the brusk or give them whatever I'm not saying that no but I'm saying give it give it a goddamn replacement please
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like have a replacement for him it doesn't have to be de Brusque but somebody who can be a second line Winger
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so I heard actually something or saw something on Twitter today and it was actually one of the few um bright spots
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maybe about this game and and something that caught my attention and I said oh
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you know maybe that's something worth exploring because nothing else is working and the person tweeted out if he
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if Elias Lindholm is berson 2.0 put put Lindholm with marand and see if they can
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develop some chemist see if see if he is berson 2.0 that's actually a solid idea it does make sense if if if Marian
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can play with a guy like berson give him hampus give him Elias lindol I'm gonna do that every time he gonna piss uh give
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him Elias lindol and and let's see if they can develop something you know they
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they need to get Martian going and and Pano I mean he's he he he and zaka have some
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chemistry so maybe you put Coyle there or or I don't think you can go ptra with the two of those guys it's just it's
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it's too much but maybe you put ptra on the wing with marand and H and Elias
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Lindholm and then you put coil with zaka and posano and you see if that works and
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then you go you know Freddy whatever I'm ready for the Tyler Johnson uh I'm ready
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for the Tyler Johnson thing to start like get yeah I mean you've got some players right now I mean you're just
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rotating through guys who throw up on themselves every time they get in the lineup like Max Jones Morgan geeky Riley
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tufty it's it's a is a penalty waiting to happen anytime he steps on the ice so
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I'm ready for the Tyler Johnson era to begin I mean I'm not pting my hopes on a you know however old 36 year old guy
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that's 5'8 but uh he has Stanley Cup experience and he knows H how to move
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without the puck and he can score goals so give me that guy instead of some of these bozos they they're putting out
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there right now I can't take it anymore I can't yeah you get you got geeky brezo Jones you know none of those guys T all
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four of those guys are just it's just not the answer so all those guys have to
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go they it just it just doesn't work I mean they're fourth line guys anyway most want to put geeky out there and
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with with Freddy and and Tyler Johnson fine yeah I mean fine but I still think
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Freddy Freddy Coyle and geeky is a decent line but they can't do it right
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now because they don't have another Center no you know to play so Cole has to play up yeah and that's part of your
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problem there just it's it's a flawed it's a flawed team it's a flawed roster it is and and Sweeney even kind of said
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it he said it wasn't a finished roster but it's flawed yeah it's it's not finished and they
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don't have any money to finish it and they don't have any money to finish it so where is it gonna come from where's the money gonna come from Good Luck yeah
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I mean where's the money gonna come from and then tonight so you know after the goal's disallowed they score a goal late
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five minutes to go Brandon Carlo gets caught in the middle of the Ice uh and it's just a you know a great
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finish yeah but a goal that that ties the game and then right then you just thought to yourself the Bruins had it
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too for for a good four minutes before that goal the Bruins were playing good
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hockey like it they Utah didn't have any chances the Bruins were getting some
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they were playing really good with a one- nothing lead and then boom one bad
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positioning and it's in the net and then it's tied with five minutes too and then from there they were lucky to survive
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the regulation because Utah had all sorts of yeah I mean a save on on like a
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nothing play with like 15 seconds left like I mean for crying out loud yeah tighten it up and then you know and then
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and then then Nikita zadorov has has a penalty in each of the
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first six games each of the first six games he has a penalty he's got that streak going and
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this is who he is though I mean this is you know it's theor of is one of the most penalized players in the league I
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mean I need to see I need to see more of the crushing people at the Blue Line stepping up and crushing people at the
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Blue Line than you know the taking the stick fouls like yeah I mean at least be
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an intimidation F take a cross check to the face penalty or something like don't give me a you know don't give me a a
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trip or a hook or something or like a you know my sticks in your midsection don't give me that like knock the guy
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down into the boards or something give me give me something I can I can live with yeah you know give me a penalty
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that that might make them afraid to come back in there next time not a not a little stick foul that's [ __ ] sorry
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John right it it 100% is and you know and then of course they score the goal
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in overtime I mean in the overtime I have to mention I have to mention this
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uh a good buddy Trav is back on Facebook and his comment says [ __ ] [ __ ] moments that I just that caught me that
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struck me as funny sorry yeah yeah I mean look the Bruins did not play
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well at all they gave away the puck 22 times yeah they should have lost the game going away if Utah was a better
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team they would have gotten their doors blown off tonight um and I and it's the
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veterans and it's the lack of accountability I think that has been festering the last three or four years
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obviously the Don Sweeney and the organization has been on the player side
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the whole way they they force Cassidy out they bring in Montgomery who's going
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to who's going to be better with the young guys which he hasn't been he's
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going to you know be a players coach which is now he's yelling at the captain and and calling people out just the same
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as Cassidy did so he's doing a lot of the same things same things that Bruce
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Cassidy did exactly the same really as Cassidy did so now what now now now what
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now just Carlo have a hard time with that now again or what are we gonna what is going to happen now well so here's
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the thing you know if if all the coaches are doing that to your group is the
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problem the group or the coach I think the problem might be the group The problem's the group The problem's the N
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the the core of the team is the problem yeah if you if you ask me I mean the
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Carlos and the the makavo and the panox
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and the Martians and you know all of those guys who've been here for a while
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that's the problem with it Frederick was in on the Cassidy thing I mean there were there were guys who bitched and
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moaned about the way they were being coached and now here you have it once you let the inmates run the as
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Asylum then this is what you get I mean this is there's no accountability like we we ran the coach out so now we can
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play with this guy who's a much nicer guy well now he's not so nice anymore so now now what yeah I mean yeah it it
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comes down to how they perform on the ice and they're and they're still making the same dumb mistakes I think
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Montgomery wanted to give them more freedom but they're still doing the same stuff don't take the puck inside your
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blue line and try to beat three guys yeah POS does it too that's stupid and then poson with the stupid stick foul
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and overtime like that's just a careless stick yeah get your stick out of there you're not stealing the puck from an NHL
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defenseman that way with one hand on your stick you know just kind of throwing it at his feet he was standing
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still the guy was gonna go by him and he threw his stick out like yeah it's just it's
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car over lazy it was lazy it was lazy for a lot of it tonight it was and that
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they haven't you're right they haven't picked up what the fourth line has been putting down like that the fourth Line's
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been playing the right way and the rest of them just haven't I mean Elias linol tonight and Coyle first two periods two
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for two for 12 in the faceoff dot like Elias lolm was brought here to win
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faceoffs that was one of the things he was supposed to do he was like 56 or 58%
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or whatever in his career and he's one for seven in the first two periods like
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you know and and I didn't see L uh lolm ended up four for five Coyle ended up
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four for seven so in the third they they started winning some draws apparently I mean but lolm I what what have you seen
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from I mean what do what do you see from linol I mean I see some defensive stuff but third line guys do that what do you
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see from him offensively is he is he creating any like you know consistent
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offense is he creating any threats in the offensive zone do you see him like making plays no not really I mean but
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not whole entire line hasn't done anything no one's making plays so that's why I don't know why they're still
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together like I I I really like the idea by the by the Twitter I wish I knew
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could remember who it was but I I like the idea there try Maran with with Lindholm and see if you can find some of
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that Martian Bergie chemistry uh you know hopefully you can because they need
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it from somewhere they need it from somewhere other than the fourth line fourth line because it's not sustainable we I mean we've talked about this right
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um and we don't want them to break up the fourth line but if Cole kepi keeps playing like this you know he's gonna
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end up being the second line right wing yeah and if they break up the fourth line I will absolutely lose my mind I
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know I will lose my mind I know I'm with you but because now you're taking the
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best thing you have and breaking it up because the rest of your players are dog [ __ ] yeah that's just not that's just
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not smart it's just no I I mean I agree with all of that but you know them like I do
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I do know them that's what's going to happen if he keeps this up you know like producer Connor said 20 games in if if
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Cole Ki is still playing like this he's gonna be the second line Winger he's gonna be the second line right wing yeah
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yeah he's gonna be the second line right wing and he might be the second line right wing Tuesday you know what
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honestly I I mean I said don't break him up I feel like each line needs one of
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those guys on the line to say like this is how we this is how we need to do it this is the energy we need to play with
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this is how we need to play and and so Ki second line right wing castc third
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line Center Beacher fourth line Center is that what I'm saying yep okay okay I'll tell you right now I am
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going I things all over the place you're gonna
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lose your mind if they break up the fourth line I'm going to lose my mind if I have to watch these other three lines
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play like complete ass for the whole season the third line of this this Hockey Club has been hot dog [ __ ] all
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season long the third line has been so bad I mean Trent Frederick has not been
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good no at all and they put him in the second line and he wasn't good again no
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he's done he's done tonight he had two or three different chances to shoot a
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puck one was it looked like his arms broke as he was shooting and then the
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other two he he didn't get himself in a shooting position in time to just do a
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you know give it a quick snapshot like he had three opportunities beautiful opportunities to get a quality shot on
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net and couldn't get it done I'm I'm I'm I'm feeling like they have too many guys
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on the team that want to defer to make the perfect pass there's a lot of extra passing and
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trying to get it right in front of the net or trying to make it perfect there's too much of that so that's part of the
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reason Ki stands out in a good way he had five shots he didn't defer he there
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was a time he came out from behind the net and instead of throwing it back down the wall or you know trying to force it
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to the slot to a guy who wasn't open he turned and he shot it at the gu damn net
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and it's a [ __ ] miracle somebody on the team actually wants to shoot Mason lry wants to shoot too there's there's
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only like a handful of guys on the team who actually want to shoot pasta wants to dangle and shoot not just shoot he
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wants to [ __ ] around with it first and Martian wants to [ __ ] around with it Martian just wants to [ __ ] around with it Coyle just wants to hold it hold it
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hold it hold it hold it hold it hold it hold it hold it been doing that for years so I mean it's
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it's it's difficult to watch it is because the rest of the team defers to
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Martian and P like there's a hierarchy on the team and I feel like those guys
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are Untouchable and you got to live with all their mistakes which there are more than there should be and there's no real
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accountability for it and I feel like that's a problem on the team like I'm
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glad Monty went up and down Maran tonight he should he should because
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Maran just hasn't been very good yeah and and now we're worried about his age and his health and in all these things
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if you're hurt then sit if at this point
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he's just not good enough right now to play him 1843 like he did tonight when
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he's in and out of the locker room every five seconds like are you hurt or you not so go sit down and we'll sit you for
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a week or two and play a guy out there who can at least give 100% you know
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because you're not bringing all this it's not like you're our tery panarin it's not like you're Nikita kucherov and
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scoring you know 17 goals in 10 games like you're not doing anything so sit
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like it's not Brad Martian three or four years ago so just sit like it I just
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feel like it you know Pano shouldn't be playing he played 194 again today I I'd
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rather him play lesser minutes if he's playing like this yeah if he's playing like this I mean he yeah I mean I I think he's
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playing too much I think he's playing too much he played 22 minutes the other night like I mean what so that's kind of
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a catch 22 because like the other night he's he's terrible terrible terrible and then he scores the OT winner like it's
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like there's something about guys that can score that you know they could be bad for long stretches of game and then
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all of a sudden you know they get a chance and it's in you know that's it's that's one of the and well that's the
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thing yeah you're waiting for that goal yeah you're waiting you're waiting for that because Boston doesn't have any
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other guys who can do that right none none guys that can do that so you put
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the one guy out there for 20 minutes a night that could potentially score for you and I don't love it I don't love it
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but they don't have a lot of other options it's the same with sitting Aran yeah I would sit him but who are you
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going to put in Max Jones no thanks no thanks no thanks I feel like we're in
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the slow burning death with this team like
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like seriously like there's no prospects and there's no chance to draft
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any so there's no prospects at all and there's guys who are getting toward the
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end of the line like Coyle and marand guys that so at some point you're just
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not there's just not going to be anybody there to get or trade for or sign or
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it's just a slow death like eventually this team's out of the playoffs probably
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not this year but within the next year or two they're out of the playoffs I
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would agree with you I think it's coming uh and it and it could just be it could just be one of those things where it
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happens just like overnight and like all of a sudden all of a sudden you know yeah it's it's gone I mean I could see
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it I could see it see it coming I mean right on the horizon right now I mean
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the teams you know because of their structure and their goal tending and you know pasta and I guess Cole KY you know
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they'll hang around some games uh and they'll be in the mix but against the good teams but with these centerman you
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you can't you can't they can't get a center they can't get one in trade
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you're not going to get one in free agency because they never get the free agency and you haven't drafted one because you can't so you're not getting
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a center unless you completely fall on your face some year and get a top five
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or six pick like you're not going to get one so these are the centers Lin home
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you know is the center for the next seven years or whatever this guy so
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who's going to be you need a guy better than him to play he needs to be the second line Center yeah I mean you need
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I mean you need Patra to to take that yeah I
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mean out of the guys you have that's what you need you need him to take that mantle do I see
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that no I don't I think I think it's unlikely I think I don't I think his his
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ceiling is second line Center like cree and that's that's his absolute highest
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ceiling to me home not a number one Center either
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so in the you win the you win the cup with up the middle you win the cup with your centers yeah every every team every
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team yeah going back years we've done this we have it's going back years has
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like top 10 draft picks as centers on the team that win the cup McKinnon and
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Crosby and I mean there's a million of them that
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malcar Stam Co yeah yeah all of them
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yeah every single [ __ ] one of them yeah so I I hear you know you've heard
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Bruins fans in the past be like oh you know we could just sign somebody and
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reload if you want this Bruins team to be good again they really need to be bad
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enough to fall into that getting a top five
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pick uh and hopefully it's in a year where where the draft has a generational talent and the Bruins luck out and are
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able to get one of those guys I mean that's what it comes down to you know
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Pittsburgh won the draft lottery and got Crosby you know yeah they get Crosby and malcin boom boom yeah Edmonton got
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McDavid I mean yeah you know dry Sidle dry Sidle McKinnon was a top you know
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sure top pick so I mean that's what where you need to be in order to get
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those type of guys and you hope it's not a year where you know Jonathan drwan or
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Shane Wright's at the top of the draft right yeah right that's the other thing it's not given you know yeah it's not
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yeah yeah it's it's not just it's not just being bad and you got to be bad in
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the right year yeah you do you do you do yeah I I don't know uh all right let's
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get into the box score coepi had five shots a goal two hits
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uh played 20 shifts 1231 of ice time how about Brad Martian he has one shot in
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1836 of ice time 23 shifts one shot on net a giveaway panak and Patra each with
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three giveaways geeky with four um yeah just not not fantastic all
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around I mean I you know it's
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a I I just the team is just not that
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good and I think that that's the re the the realization we have to come the
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grips with now is that this is going to be a team that is going to fight to the
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end to stay in the top four of the division thankfully Buffalo Ottawa
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Detroit Montreal just aren't that good thankfully thankfully there's a top four
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and a bottom four in this division so you're going to make the playoffs unless couple of guys get hurt and you just
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completely face plant um so they they are going to make the playoffs but this
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is not a team built to win the playoffs at all in fact it's lesser of a team
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than last year um certainly the year before I said that going in you know it's just you did
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and you said it wasn't as good and you were right and I was wrong because I thought they were slightly better and
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you said they were not and you are correct so get button it's still early it's
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still early but they aren't though I mean it would I mean look look at look at look at the
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team like unless they really crack down
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defensively and get that thing right and win two to one 3 to2 they they are going to be in real
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trouble because who where the where the where are the goals going to come from
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that's my point that was my point before they don't have enough guys who can score goals it's POS and then a bunch of
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guys who will maybe get 20 maybe maybe maybe so that I mean that's just not
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good enough it's not good enough I mean we talked about it um in in our last uh
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full episode not a excuse me not a postgame live but we were talking about
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top nine uh forward groups on other teams and and where the Bruins rank as far as
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top nine forwards go uh and I think on the next full episode we're going to do that where we would put this Bruins
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group yeah it's not very high we both say probably bottom third of the leag
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even with group sure yeah yeah even with posa yeah um in the bottom in the bottom
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third of the league I mean right that's not that's not going to win playoff
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games that's not going to win playoff series that's not you know you'll be this team if they were in a different
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division would struggle to make the playoffs I mean it would it certainly will all right let's
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get into some fan comments Dan Dan Maynard says uh oh boy am I ready to hear some
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rants we are we are uh we are right at it right away Shaz
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diet uh top nine was basically invisible the whole night which is correct the
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over time was lazy Dan um and he's wondering where posar was posar just not
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a great game from him and I feel like he's had some some goals and some points
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but like you said it's just kind of he scores a goal and what else what else is
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he doing throughout the game like he he has that one moment where he has a terrific shot an elite shot so he'll
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score a goal and all is right in with the world but what's his whole body of work looking
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like and it's just he just hasn't seemed like the same player to me no and you
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know what he's playing with a new center yeah and you know he's playing with zacher on his other wing and you know
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there's some of that chemistry thing that he's not you know and he hasn't you know he's you know Ki was a great guy
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for him to play with and remember CI and zaka and him together was great so you
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know maybe that's part of it maybe that's part and maybe there's a lot of pressure on him to score maybe seeing
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maybe he's seeing Jesus who else is going to score so I have to score a bunch yeah I mean much yeah I mean I
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think he is feeling the pressure I think other teams are are matching up their best defensive pairs with him now before
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you had to you know when berson and Marian were playing better or at the top of their game or they were around you
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know you have to match up against them as well now the top be is always going to be on posano and everybody's heavy on
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him they're every time he gets the puck they're not giving him any time and space they're into him right away
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they're sending a second guy to him because they know that he doesn't want to pass it he wants to hang on to it
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same with Martian just send a second guy and let him fumble it off his stick you know the two of them both so yeah you
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know they they want to make the play they don't want to pass it to someone else and then have someone else make the
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play it's so you know until they figure part of it out you know it's going to be
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the same old [ __ ] unfortunately yeah yeah Beth says look like the Utah goalie
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Ingram was flopping to try to draw a penalty and he and he did look like that twice in a row yeah yeah he looked like
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he like sort of got clipped from behind but he was kind of skating out too far
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it looked like he was trying to bait into a penalty there that egregious
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FL yeah especially in the third they were kind of uh a lot of Utah guys were going down
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trying to draw a calls like well you know what hey you have the most penalized team in the league you take
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the most miners you took six more or whatever it was tonight yeah and it it indirectly caused you to lose the game
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because you know I know he came out of the box but you're still you know it's four on three and the guy comes out of
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the box and then you give up a goal right after I mean it's it's it's not a great way to start the overtime so yeah
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I'd be flopping all over the fraking place too you know I'd be trying to bait you in the penalties all night long
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that's what Florida does so that works so I tell you that you've talk we've talked about this like Florida has the
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blueprint guess who's looking at all the blueprints the other freaking teams the
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other teams do um Charlie says playing like they're skating at the Frog Pond at
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Boston comment uh pathetic team and Monty needs to go now need Joel quinnville to come in and kick ass for
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these so-called veteran players that would be a story to behold Monty Monty is is uh I don't know Monty
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I feel I feel like it's coming with Monty So speaking of that let's go to the video of him uh giving Mar and the
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how do you do okay Moto's right there play looked a little funny coming across
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the Blue Line see if the Bruins took a look at
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it yeah I mean that's that's he's hot yeah sh he shoves him in the shoulder I
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mean that was like that was pretty that was something really I mean the shoulder
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shove and this I mean he was screaming at him yeah that's I mean you I was a
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little shocked that's his M that's as mad as I've seen him at his own bench I mean I've seen him mad at officials
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before but I've never seen him act that way towards anyone really on his own bench uh or at least not catch it on
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video he may have I mean he's called timeouts before where he's laid into the whole group yeah yeah but but a guy
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singling a guy like that and a veteran singling out a veteran Captain you know maybe that sends a
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message to the rest of the guy I mean it didn't because they still played like dog [ __ ] after that but maybe the team
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you know is like you've said not that good so it's hard for them to respond
37:47
when they're getting uh you know pushed in and you know they just don't have it
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in them they don't have I just feel like Monty's getting close to like throwing his hands like what do I do now like it
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just feels like a desperate coach when you start to see some of the things he's doing is he's getting a little desperate
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because he knows he doesn't have a contract and it's coming up and if they don't have a good year or Advance very
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far then they're not going to bring him back and I just think he's kind of this
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is kind of a last gasp effort this is not what he was to start his R and you
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know you even said it he he said he didn't even have to coach that much the first year and they won 65 games and
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then the next year there was you know a lot of the same kind of thing and he talked about the veterans Felino and
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berson and all these guys who kind of took care of the room and he didn't really have to do it and he had maroon
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and guys that kind of just took care of things and now it just seems like you
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know how how much I guess my question is how much leadership like good leadership
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is there left now yeah I mean that that's a valid
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question it's it is a valid question you know in the room how much leadership
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there's a few new guys there's some young guys but how many guys I mean hampus linol a leader is Brandon Carlo a
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leader like is uh you know David Pano I mean he's showing some leadership
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qualities Charlie McAvoy Brad Martian but is it as strong a leadership group
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as has been in the past I would say no I would say I would say no I would say no
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I would say Char was very strong I'd say berso was very strong I'd say there was some other guys recky there were some
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other guys even throughout the lineup that were good leaders Felino they were
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good leaders do they have a lineup full of like good leadership guys I don't
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think it's as much I don't no I'm with you I'm just thinking thinking back to
39:59
it that team a few years ago though was an absolute wagon oh wagon yeah I mean that that top nine holy [ __ ] yeah I mean
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that was a that was a good good team bottom yeah it was it was I mean panak
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berson Marian K Taylor Hall you you got you got on that team you had with with
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the yeah you had Jesus three or four the top 10 or 12 players in the history of
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the team on the on the team right you know what I mean it's you know uh cam from
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the cam show says brezo is just not fast enough to play in the league and I totally agree with you and I've said that before and and now people are
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starting to to come around so that's good uh Shaz diet says a pasta has
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points but he's been garbage so far I don't think he's been great um the slow
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the slow thing Beth talks about half of our play skating with lead fill skates the slow thing's a thing like you said
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yeah and they're just not that fast and I'm watching Utah a young spr team
41:06
skating circles around them and you're G to see a lot of that now can they not can they win yeah they can win I mean
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they can find ways to win those types of games but there's going to be some times throughout the year where you're like
41:18
Jesus they're slow they need to move the puck quicker I mean that's that's part of it is they want to hold on to it and
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that's not that's not their game and it shouldn't be their game um especially
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through the neutral zone stuff and trying to beat guys one-on-one like get it in deep and and get the
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speed going at the new like you can't have guys posted up at the blue line or
41:43
post it up in the half wall and expect guys to make plays and and get the puck
41:49
moving with any speed through the neutral zone they don't have guys who can do that they don't they don't so you
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know and and this goes back to the coaching part and we set it against the Panthers until they decide they want to
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change the philosophy to some other kind of breakout where you can have guys
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instead of posted up on the wall either moving uh somewhere with some kind of
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speed to get a pass and and break up ice uh so they need to do something else I
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feel like to to generate some speed through the neutral zone because they don't have real good speed to begin with
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so if you're trying to do it from standing still it just doesn't make any sense yeah and Shaz diet it's crazy that
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the coaching calls out Fabian lysel for doing exactly what Pak and Martian are guilty of doing which is a valid point
42:38
but obviously they have the pedigree to get away with more things and so forth and you this is a tale of oldest time
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let's take it let's let's make an example of the of the rookies let's
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let's scratch Mason lowai God forbid he has one bad game Let's scratch him let's
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let's bury lysel because we you know he's this type of player and lysel had a
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terrific goal tonight he did one on four uh and scored the goal which was
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fantastic and I've seen all sorts of Clips where he's made some good solid plays so I'm not sure I'm getting mixed
43:16
reviews some people like oh he's just not he's still not playing the way he should and then I see all these clips
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that say otherwise so I think you're G to see lysell and it could be sooner
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than later I wonder if Monty will go to the to Sweeney and be like hey look it we got to find something and let's let's
43:33
see what we have in lysell I mean I think it's coming yeah Lind Holm uh producer Connor
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says Lind Holm Carlo and pasta were on ice for both of Utah goals yeah yeah not great not not great um you
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can't win the cup with one line production Beth and that is 100% true um
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you know I I'd love to Rel uh Trav but this is to me this is not just like
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they lost the game and I'm and I'm a and I'm a [ __ ] Bruins fan this is like I
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could see the bigger picture in it that yeah the the roster construction sucks and and I think it's going to
44:18
continue to kind of Manifest this way through the season and we're going to start to see the in the deficiencies
44:27
yeah this team and you know look they've played Florida a couple times and lost
44:32
the other teams they played not that great yeah so when they
44:38
play the Rangers and the hurricanes and you know some teams that you know they're playing the Predators who have
44:44
no wins coming up yeah so this first part of the other than Florida this
44:49
first first part of the schedule not that not that tough but when they start to play some of these really good teams
44:56
out there then I'm I'm a little nervous to be honest well I'm I'm nervous about Tuesday because the Predators are a
45:02
playoff team and they're quick uh and they're going to be hungry at home because they haven't won a game yet I
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think T I think you could be looking at another loss on Tuesday I think the Predators are gonna take it to you and
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the Bruins haven't shown the ability to score goals outside of you know a few
45:20
guys so unless they get another great goal tending performance I don't I don't I don't see
45:27
them winning that game I I I I think their defense last year um you know
45:35
wasn't great they they gave up a ton of high danger chances the goal tending bailed them out especially early on in
45:42
the season um so it's been kind of a steady
45:47
decline and it's you know that's you know just going back to Trav Point uh
45:54
you know to relax it's been 15 games well last year you know it it there were
46:01
signs of this they got outshot all the time yeah they couldn't
46:06
they didn't have you talked about the shots on goal a while before anybody else did and it came and it came true
46:14
and same same with tonight outshot because they can't get to the puck either they lose faceoffs or they're too
46:21
slow to get to it right and then the other teams possess the puck they're in the zone the whole time you know if the
46:28
offensive team misses a shot it rims around the boards and the and the Bruin skaters are too slow to get there to
46:34
break the puck out yeah so it's it's a it's a NeverEnding cycle of you know the
46:40
other team stays in your Zone and then they get good chance after good chance after good chance and you know
46:46
eventually they start to go in and it's you know similar story this year
46:52
and I think their defense is may be slower um you know it's bigger and
46:57
physical in front of the net so maybe that'll help there but getting to Puck and getting him out of the Zone I mean
47:03
they've been having trouble doing that this year against good teams and
47:09
they had trouble with it last year and it cost them in the playoffs so it it
47:14
seems to me like it's just a steady decline and and it's not you know I
47:20
don't think it's getting better anytime soon Dan says speaking of 2.0 is is Ki
47:25
pasta 2.0 no but I will say this Conor Ryan likes
47:30
to say he's card of aagi 2 2.0 which you know you know maybe that type of guy
47:36
where it just kind of burst on the scene finally 26 years old you know figures it
47:41
out he did score at least 20 goals twice in the AHL uh has some tools obviously
47:47
big fast can shoot it so you know maybe he's just finding the right fit for
47:53
himself and maybe he does you know score 20 goals this year maybe you know it it that would be great um but you know we
48:01
have to see what he does over like a 25 game period um and and maybe he does
48:07
maybe he continues to kind of just plug his way to to a good you know 20 goal
48:13
season which would be great it'd be a good find for them they need it they need it desperately uh Beantown Bruin
48:20
says looks like this team is tuning out the coach do you think they're tuning out the coach you think the message is getting a little lost
48:29
possibly possibly I I mean if if you look at their starts their starts have
48:35
been an issue so what is that what does that come down to is it the players just
48:40
saying um you know we're going to do it our own way is the coach not preparing them well enough like if the team's not
48:47
ready to start games there's some kind of issue there whether it's the players not doing the right things or the coach
48:54
not getting the players ready um you know we talked about it the other night
49:00
that we think there's a disconnect between the players and the coach especially on like you know the the
49:06
Florida game um you know the coach says
49:11
the Panthers are in their heads the players say it's not that big of a deal who's who's right who's wrong who's
49:20
you know so there seems to be a disconnect there so I don't know if if um if they're tuning them out or if
49:27
they're just like I don't know we're gonna do our own
49:32
thing I heard of beers on Bob Beers on The Sports Hub this morning talking
49:38
about this and Ty Anderson asked him about it and he said I'm not worried about you you're talking about regular
49:45
season games and they don't play them again till January and it's a long way from the playoffs so it's not really something I worry about but then I
49:51
thought to myself but Jim Montgomery is if Jim Montgomery comes out and say says
49:57
that then he's worried so why wouldn't you be a little worried he he he thinks
50:02
it's worrisome enough to say something about it like that in the media then to
50:09
me that's like he's been saying it see that tells me he's been saying it
50:14
to his team numerous times and he's finally like screw it I'm gonna tell the media because I I have to tell somebody
50:21
else you know what I mean like it's just it's not the first time he's probably said it to the team yeah so I'd be I'm a
50:29
little nervous if the coach says it do do you think he um do you think
50:38
he's he knows that the team's just not very good do you think like I think he knows that the roster he said that thing
50:45
about we look slow early on yeah like I I I said from the beginning that I I
50:51
don't know if he 100% agrees with the roster construction or if it's the type
50:56
of of Team here's the other thing is it the type of Team he's accustomed to
51:03
coach because they've changed the [Music] team uh did makeup since he's been coach
51:12
right so he was brought on to help the younger guys and play a different style north and south and move the puck
51:19
quickly and that type of thing now he's now they went bigger and heavier because they thought they
51:25
couldn't beat certain teams so is that a team that he's accustomed to coaching
51:30
does his coaching philosophy line up with your new roster look it does not it
51:37
doesn't I don't think it does so I think that that's probably what he says like Jesus like this isn't what I said in the
51:45
interview like this isn't what I I how I wanted to play so and that leads me to
51:52
believe that because they don't fire coaches and they wouldn't hire him for
51:57
being 80 games over 500 in the regular season or whatever but they didn't extend him and they changed the roster
52:05
makeup so now does that mean like does he kind of think like they're not going to move on
52:12
with me because this is this isn't my type of Team probably he probably does
52:18
think that in the back of his head if I was him that's what I'd be thinking that's what I'd be thinking like you got me all these big heavy guys and that's
52:25
not how I kind of wanted to play because right now they can't Advance the puck yeah that well you know
52:32
so I don't know I mean that's something to think about that's why I think like a lot of
52:39
the things he's saying and doing right now just aren't characteristic of him
52:45
and it just looks like a desperate coach to me when you start doing those things you know it's like Alex cor going out
52:52
and saying throw me out of the game you know what I mean because I'm at my wits end you know what I mean it's it's like
52:58
it's just that's what it kind of seems like I don't know
53:03
um uh the top six is insulting Pon says
53:08
in all fers Shaz Shaz diet does say uh berson and Ki weren't first round picks and that's true and Braden point is a
53:16
third rounder from from Tampa Bay there are some exceptions but I will say that we looked back and the Bruins in 11 were
53:25
like the first team we saw yes that didn't have first round picks
53:30
as centers so that's 13 years that's 13 years you know what I mean and they were
53:35
sandwiched in between other teams that had you know Crosby's been around
53:41
winning cups and you know so that is true Kane Taves yeah I mean there's you
53:48
know every you know every team has had like a tremendous amount of high-end
53:53
draft picks um camber says we played like we've played like six games you
53:59
Boos so that's that's uh very true cam if the playoffs start tomorrow we're
54:06
second in the Atlantic we got 70 more games to write the ship I think we'll work it out I love your positivity hope
54:12
it works out I hope it works out too I want it to work out yeah I'd love this team to be great but I just see some
54:18
signs that aren't really uh it's not just the six games and the
54:23
small sample size it's it's kind of how things are and and we had these we had
54:29
these very concerns coming into the season and they're coming to fruition which makes us nervous correct because
54:35
we look like no stradamus um when does Bergie or Chara come into the front office to set the
54:41
tone of leadership says Donovan you know I'm not a big you know I yeah I mean the trend in
54:49
the National Hockey League is to have your star player former star players be in the front office Steve Eiserman and
54:55
guys like that there are there's a trend that way I don't know if berson would want to do that type of thing I wouldn't
55:03
I mean the amount of money he's made his life he's with his kids I wouldn't want
55:08
to do the job no uh Chara is another one like if I'm chaa I wouldn't want to do I
55:14
would want to continue doing Iron Man competitions and marathons yeah and that's you know I wouldn't want to do it
55:22
but maybe maybe they would I don't I don't know and and I don't
55:28
know yeah I mean that sounds good and everything but you know is it would it be any different
55:35
like are those guys Talent evaluators like you know it's it doesn't mean
55:40
because you're a great player that you're a great coach or you're a great talent evaluator or you can be a great GM it doesn't mean any of those things
55:48
um and they a lot of these guys should know from those guys the leadership
55:54
qualities like they have should have Lear earned from those guys because many of them played with one or two of those
56:01
guys so would be new development I don't know if the front office can set the
56:07
leadership tone either they're just not around the team as much right so I don't I don't know I mean they can send the
56:13
right messages but you know if you're not around the team enough I don't know
56:18
if you can really set the message uh and then I I honestly I feel like and you
56:24
know we've said Don Sweeney's done some good things and obviously his drafting has been you know up and down uh and
56:31
Neely seems to insert himself into some things here and there I'm not sure those two guys philosophies align and um when
56:42
they're trying to build a roster and ne's like you know we're getting pushed around too much you know we need to go
56:48
bigger and Sweeney is saying all right all right we'll add some guys so I just feel
56:54
like those both of those guys played in a different era which is which is not the way the
57:01
game is played today no and I think the Bruins are going in the wrong direction
57:09
as far as building a team and building a roster and what you need to win in the NHL today
57:17
and it's it's it's a problem because those
57:23
guys are those guys are still around and as long as those guys are around I think you're always going to have a neie
57:29
saying we need to be you know bigger and tougher and Sweeney's going to say you
57:35
know yeah we need we need to we need to be able to stand up for our teammates and and do because those guys did those
57:42
type of things um but you know Florida is not exactly a you know fight and and
57:50
stand up they're a they're an irritate and annoy and and play on the Ed Ed and
57:57
then they have speed and talent and size um and it's not
58:04
necessarily the stick up for guys and and no you know fight guys and stuff
58:10
like that it's a it's a different it's a different roster construction and
58:17
um that's what wins now the Rangers the same way yeah the Rangers Dallas
58:22
Edmonton like all the good team Vegas even you know they might be bigger teams
58:29
but they have speed and talent you know speed and talent like kryder's big but he's fast and he's talented and you know
58:36
panan and zabad and fox and you know go on down the line and you know both all
58:42
those rosters speed and talent um Bruins don't have a a lot of either of those
58:48
things so um you know I think they're a pretty good team you know the Bruins but
58:57
when you stack up stack them up against the top rosters in the league they're just not there they're not there no
59:04
denovan says Monte has caught in the crossfire between Sweeney and Ne and how they want to construct the team and I think that that's that's a point that we
59:11
should probably take into consideration that they did change the
59:17
roster some or the makeup of it with Monty as the coach and we wonder if
59:25
that's comfortable for him right now does he know what to do with this group
59:31
you know does he know how to play with this group do you have to play a different way because you have big big
59:36
heavy guys now and you know can you still play the same way that Monty likes to play with these guys maybe it's not a
59:43
good M mix like maybe it's just not the right mix and that's a that could be a
59:51
valid point I think because I don't know if if he's used to to this type of
59:56
roster at all but at the end of the day players win and they just don't have
1:00:02
enough really good players right now and the balance of the roster is a little
1:00:08
off in the forward group I think the defense is fine yeah and the goal endings are good yeah but the but the
1:00:15
Fran forward group they just don't have I inan 2011 they had Michael Ryder and Mark
1:00:22
recky and Nathan Horton and Milan Luchi and David cree and Patrice berson I mean
1:00:28
they had guys who could really play like that's a much better team than this team
1:00:36
now in my opinion from top to bottom sure I mean they've got a lot of fourth liners here and guys who are borderline
1:00:43
I me they got even the celix and the keys and the tuties and Jones and these
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guys haven't played much NHL hockey no you know they haven't played that much like you didn't get a bunch of Veteran
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guys who played a ton and have a ton of experience and scored a ton of goals and produced a ton you really don't have a
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lot of experience in that group so potra is not that not experienced like there's
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not a lot of experience yeah Freddy's still relatively young I mean yeah it's
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true the geeky that's you know there's not so that's another thing that's where you need leadership even more so we'll
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see what happens I think they'll probably go with Tyler Johnson at some point here and I think you're going to see lysel by
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Thanksgiving I think I think you will because if they're at a point where they just can't get anything going in the
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second line I think you got to go back to L you got to try lysel there and I
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think if lysel could play with let's say Marian lyol lysel and the top line is
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what you said zaka Co coak and then you've got poer on the
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third line then I think you might be if lysel is producing plane right way then
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you might start cooking with gas a little yeah then you could have poter Freddy and poter Freddy geeky or
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something right yeah yeah so maybe that's but they really need
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somebody um Johnson lysel somebody probably two forwards honestly because
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some of the forwards they're using now aren't getting it done VRA Freddy Johnson on the third line I would yeah
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that that might be a nice little line yeah Bruins take on the Nashville
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Predators on Tuesday night and you guessed it 8:45 start let's do it late
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again that's what we do the hell is 8:45 8 it's Frozen Frenzy so they got a Stagg
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right the Stagger every plays on Tuesday night one time a year the Bruins will be
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at Nashville on are we doing a we're doing a merch thing on Tuesday for Frozen friend merch for Frozen frenzy
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will'll do 25% off the merch all the merch what are we doing frenzy 25 frenzy
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frenzy 25 Conor frenzy 25 yeah frenzy 25 you can get it there um and then on the
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24th on Thursday you play I think that's Dallas at home isn't it I thought it was
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Dallas uh on the 244th at 700 p.m Dallas the Dallas who are awfully
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good uh they'll play them so a couple of couple of sneaky tough games and then
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Saturday night we got Saturday night we're at lobs Brewing yes Toronto Poli 7
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PM watch party with the Leafs little uh little Halloween party action beer
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release satday night should be a good night should be fun Jeff's going to the to the Nashville game good for you Jeff
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some give us some luck give us some goal scoring Juju yeah and can you can you play rightwing
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yeah Skate it all yeah you could 12 minutes all they'll give you a try out I
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mean if you can stand in front of the net and bang some bang some Justin brazo you know can do it you can do it too
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have a you have good hand eye coordination we'll just po front of the net and let you tip Puck yeah yeah just
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watch your face um yeah that'll be good uh there'll probably be a fish on the
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ice yeah yeah uh yeah so hey thanks for listening again the post game we'll do post game again
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after the Predators game on Tuesday night it's an 8:45 start so probably roughly 11:30ish we'll be on a Tuesday
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night make the week nice and long uh but until then Bruins lose tonight two to
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one in overtime to the Utah Hockey Club we'll see you Tuesday night until then
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as always go gruin thanks a lot byebye
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